Leader: How Charismissional Are You (and Your Church?)

By Keith Gamon

A recent set of discussions surrounding this whole debate with other leaders from our family of churches called Newfrontiers has got me thinking. Rather than regurgitate the discussions, I thought it might be helpful to produce a working application. Obviously there is the responsibility of all church leaders to think through how this applies as well as the theory behind it but time can be limited for many and this working assessment may prove helpful. So I will attempt to help us ask questions in the following way. Are we Charismatic (Spirit filled) and are we missional (prioritising outreach):

1)      In our own lives?

2)      In our church on Sundays, and in the lives of those in our church?

(Starting with our own lives keeps us from being professional and disconnected from reality)

 

1)      Our own lives? Am I Spirit filled and prioritising outreach in my own life?

Charismatic:

Do I depend on the Holy Spirit daily? Do I sound like Paul who loved the things of the Spirit and for example said he… “spoke in tongues more than any other.” 1 Cor 14v18. Do I look for the miraculous in my own life, my family, the church? Am I hungry for an encounter with God every time I meet with him or am in a Christian meeting? Am I hungry for him even when I’m leading the meeting? Do I find myself wanting worship times to end so that I can get onto “being fed”? **health warning**

Mission:

This is way bigger than I first thought. It’s been too easy to think that my pastorally driven and church occupied existence as a leader justifies the little time availability I have for those who don’t know Jesus. Turns out, not only is it immature but also is not helping me or my church be missional. Positively put, if I am developing meaningful (not just evangelism fodder) friendships with friends outside of church and eventually bringing them to church events (even Sundays) this will dramatically affect how we do Sundays!

Before I concern myself with how missional Sundays are or how missional church people are, what am I like? Have I got lazy? Did I only do outreach to get the church planted and to get a ministry for myself? Tough questions need honest answers. However I still love it when friends come to church as well as the times conversation turns to more “spiritual” matters when enjoying pizza and beer together. They don’t think I’m just hanging out with them to “win them,” because I’m not!

 

2)      In our church on Sundays, and in the lives of those in our church?

These are also different matters but obviously connected. In other words, Sundays are not everything but they give a good indicator of the health of a church.

We can’t just lead in the right way, if our churches are not living missionally Mon-Sat then we are missing something in our teaching and equipping of them.

 

Charismatic: In their lives, Monday to Saturday?

Essentially this is the same set of questions we used for ourselves. Are our people hungry for God? Do they know a regular encounter and infilling of the Holy Spirit? Are most of our church Spirit filled? Have we taught and brought them through to the things of the Spirit?

Mission: In their lives, Monday to Saturday?

Do people in our church love to be with those outside the church? Do they socialise with unbelievers? Have we put on too many church meetings and not left enough time for this? What percentage of Alpha guests come through personal invitation rather than cold invites? This can be a scary set of questions.

Charismatic on Sundays?

Are people enjoying God regularly? As an indicator of the experience of the whole congregation, do I and my wider leadership genuinely encounter the Holy Spirit in worship? Do we hear the prophetic gift regularly? How many gifts are expressed on a Sunday? Is there a growing number of people who might contribute?

Mission on Sundays?

Have we learnt how to view things through 1 Cor 14 lenses. Do we love our neighbour nearly as much as we love God? (Mark 12 v28-34). Do we think Sundays are mainly for Christians? If so why was Paul convinced that they could have unbelievers in their midst in any and every public meeting (1 Cor 14). Do we understand that Corinth had got worship times nearly 100% wrong? Therefore, Paul was correcting them in 1 Cor 12-14. Intelligibility and edification for believers and unbelievers was huge for Paul in 1 Cor 14. Have we worked out the difference between biblical obstacles and unbiblical obstacles? Biblical obstacles can be an offence to people and its ok, unbiblical obstacles are sin on the part of the Christians who construct them! Paul saw incessant and public tongue speaking as unhelpful but saw the right use of tongues and prophecy as the opposite. The former an unbiblical obstacle based on showmanship, the latter a potential biblical obstacle but equally a potential avenue for salvation.

Biblical obstacles include: the cross, biblical wisdom and teaching, the gospel, the uniqueness of Christ, one way, the depravity of man.

Unbiblical obstacles may include: our way of doing things is the only way, evangelical law making, tongues in every setting and all the time, in house joking, unfriendliness to outsiders, neglecting people, 4 hours of worship followed by an hour of prayer for healing of the emotions, 2 hour sermons, no explanation given for anything unusual to an outsider.

Are we still using the following meaningless and unhelpful lingo? Tongues, testimony, non-Christian…

Are we still assuming people know what is meant by certain words: sin, reconciliation, redemption, salvation, grace, law, sanctification….this list is long!

 

Hopefully these questions and reflections will help to stimulate conversation and assessment so that we do both better and in balance, live Spirit filled lives that are heaven-bent on seeing our friends come to know Jesus.

Dear Mr Rutley

I am a church Pastor in Macclesfield but before that I am a husband and a father and I am deeply concerned at recent events surrounding marriage.

I am writing concerning the recent news that the government are seeking to change the legal definition of marriage in the UK.

I am also concerned at the undemocratic way this is being undertaken by the government, especially considering the following:

• Redefining marriage wasn’t a manifesto pledge of the Tories, the Lib Dems or Labour. There is no mandate for change; nobody voted for this.
• A real consultation means listening to the people before making a decision. Why is the public being ignored like this?
• The public don’t want this: 70% want to keep marriage as it is, and over 230,000 (including me) have signed the national petition for marriage.
• Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Politicians should not play politics with marriage.

Whilst single issue voting is not normally my preferred tactic this would certainly seriously affect my vote at the next election even though this might be playing into the hands of my last point.

Please urge your colleagues and those in the cabinet and shadow cabinet to take the consensus views of the nation seriously rather than bowing to minority views once more – the minority that want to alter an established and vital building block for society and in their tactics would have us believe that if we don’t do as they demand then we are being intolerant – we are not, this is not an argument about a particular sexual practice or life choice, this is about marriage and its vital place in society and the need to protect it from being damaged or watered down in any way, I would feel this strongly if the government were entertaining the notion of legalising polygamy or other forms of change simply for the sake of a minority.

 

Many thanks for all you do in service of this constituency.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Keith

This Sunday is our 13th and final part in Joshua and Keith will be speaking about Joshua’s “famous last words” as he gives Israel this famous send off. In last sermon to his people, Joshua chooses his words carefully and urges the people in 2 key ways. 1) Remember Who brought you thus far and 2) and perseverance with the famous words “As for me and family we will serve the Lord.”

See you there!

G3 5th July. Why Church? pt 3 &  Foodbank Update.

Why Church? part 3 will be looking at Community, Worship and why Sunday mornings? Including video interviews with Terry Virgo on community and why Sundays?

We’ll also have a longer foodbank update.

All beginning with a time of worship and waiting on God.

Why Church? Part 2

“Is the Church An old rusty machine that we are trying to crank up for another generation? Or THE REASON for all Creation? The Glorious Church?” (Sibs Sibanda)

 1.     What did Paul think?

• Paul gets a bad reputation amongst Christians and non-Christians alike. So what did this alleged misogynistic, hyper-hierarchical, over-organiser think about the church:
• Eph 3
• Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, ⁹ and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. ¹⁰ His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ¹¹ according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

• If anything Paul only adds volume to the glorious vision Jesus set his disciples.
• Earlier in Eph 2 this is what Paul says about Jesus and his church:

• ¹⁹ Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, ²⁰ built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. ²¹ In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. ²² And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

• To summarise last time and intro this month:
• What I hope we can take from this is that Jesus saw the church for what it is = people, who he had called out and who he would die for and who he would build more people on top of and who would love each other and the world they are in.
• That the early church did what is natural and not ungodly, they got organised as the needs of people dictated it.
• What Paul does is add some grandeur and beauty to the purpose of the church – he raises the bar as we’ll see, he also adds some more organisation, but people are the focus and Jesus is the focus and none of that will be anti the spirit of what Jesus had in mind.

• Paul doesn’t seek to change the church idea that Jesus presented.
• Paul just focuses in on the church in a more detailed way than Jesus.

• For example: 1 Cor 14
• If we take this 1 chapter as a good example of the way Paul is different from Jesus what we find is that Paul did not add flavour or ingredients but he gave a more detailed recipe!!
• Jesus came to seek and save the lost, he ascended afer 33 years mission accomplished, but he let others get on with establishing a body that had him as the cornerstone, centrepiece, who worshipped him, followed him, knew the life giving grace that only he and his cross could provide.
• THEN Jesus grabs Paul on the Damascus road, blinds him, converts him, restores his sight, send him to preach the very gospel he’d been trying to kill off and causes him to write half the NT with a more detailed recipe for how the church is to look.

• So in our on-going “spot the difference” between Jesus and Paul:

• Paul’s main themes in 1 Cor 14 are do things in church that blesses others more than trying to look good yourselves.
• THAT IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM JOHN 2 where Jesus clears out the temple and starts to clear out selfish religion to eventually replace it with Christ centred selfless family called the church.
• See Paul is arguing in 1 Cor 14 with a bunch of Christians who want to preform special languages to prove how godly and great they are and who by so doing are alienating each other and visitors.
• Paul says, no, this is not on.
• He lists a load of requirements and these can make him seem organised, regulatory, rules focused, hierarchical: all the things we say Jesus wasn’t.
• The truth is, Jesus was just as strong – if not stronger with an equivalent selfishness that he sees and is recorded in John 2.
• Paul says don’t give a tongue without an interpretation.
• Jesus says, I’m going to turn your table over and cause a real mess rather than let you sell one more pigeon in the house of God!!!!
• What is behind it all, a desire for a people who would put God first.
• An immediate outworking of putting God first is the second greatest commandment.
• Love your neighbour as yourself.
• Paul says in 1 Cor 14 – uninterpreted tongues mean you are not putting God first because you are not loving your neighbour as yourself.

• So Paul raises the bar of what the church is in places like Eph 2 &3, by focussing it all on Jesus as the head, the cornerstone, the one who the church is for
• He then says – and this is more detail to the recipe, this is how we act like the body that has Jesus as its head, cornerstone and the one who it is all for.
• See Paul talks about giving money, about serving each other, about working hard, about loyalty, about leadership, about denying ourselves and about marriage and what family should look like.
• Jesus talked about all of those things as well.
• This “spot the LACK OF difference” campaign that I’m running is on-going because I’m convinced it is still question that is out there, people are asking it: essentially they think Jesus was cuddly and Paul was an animal!

2.     So what is church? 

• A community that was launched by Jesus with community and outreach and care in it’s DNA
• It centred on Jesus and worship of him
• It centred on the cross
• It loved each other in community and loved the poor, the world around them
• It was generous
• It wasn’t perfect
• IT=THEY
• THEY didn’t need buildings but used them!!
• They valued the Holy Spirit and His gifts, again in community etc
• A real comminty that knew each other, helped each other, stuck by each other, thought the best of each other – put others best before their own needs
• It wasn’t enough to be a Christian – being a Christian meant you were now part of a local body of family members who looked after each other.
• It suffered together
• It faced problems, dealt with sin, embraced serving leadership, Spirit filled worship, bible based teaching and applied it to their lives.
• The church was brilliant
• The church is brilliant!!
• Why Church? Is a question I sometimes ask myself but from a pastor’s perspective
• Why do I keep doing it?
• I might find a more respectable career
• I wouldn’t get the stigma of looking like I don’t do anything apart from on Sundays
• I hear stories of how churches treat each other and treat their leaders and I get scared of the same kind of treatment.
• Pastors and wives who cry for months because of the hurt done to them.
• Why do we do church?
• Cos we love Jesus
• Cos we love the church.
• I love what he wants the church to become and a lot of what inspires me about the church is in Paul’s words:
• Its job is to display the multifaceted wisdom of God!! WOW !! what a church, what a people!!
• I also love what the church is now
• The church in the NT was NOT perfect, people were lying and dying for lying
• Yet we look at the same chapters in Acts and say, “Wow, would love to have been there” THAT CHURCH WAS REAL, AWESOME
• It was real, it was really imperfect!!
• Same as our version today
• AND JUST LIKE THE NT version, OUR GLOBAL CHURCH IS IMPERFECT AND BRILLIANT
• Our global church is then represented by local churches like Silklife Church
• Not perfect but brilliant
• I love the church and what it will become and I love Silklife Church and what it has already become and loving the church means loving the people who ARE already the church here
• In turn this means we can say with confidence that the people of Silklife Church are not perfect but they are brilliant and I love ‘em!

This Sunday we have Keith and Rachel Cooper visiting and Keith will be speaking. They are looking to plant a new church in Chester and it will be great to hear from them and catch something of their heart for Chester and Cheshire!

Also, Friday morning we are meeting to worship and pray at 6.30am, would love to have you pray with us.

Why Church?

With this mini-blog-series I hope we will answer a number of questions including this one which I think aptly describes where many Christians are at these days in regard to the church – “Is the Church An old rusty machine that we are trying to crank up for another generation? Or THE REASON for all Creation? The Glorious Church?” (Sibs Sibanda)

And is Bill hybels right – is the local Church the hope of the world?

The other questions which we will be looking at in this first blog are as follows:

where did it start

what did Jesus think about Ch?

What came first the church or the NT?

What did the early church think of Church?

In future blogs:

what did Paul think?

so what is church?

what shd Ch look like today?

Sunday’s ?

worship?

Community?

• outreach?

Organisation/administration/Rotas!!?

Leadership?

Where did it start?

Church or the word ekklesia is used in NT 111 times. Jesus only uses the word 3 times,  in Matt 16 once and Matt 18 twice.

Which brings us on nicely to our first question, in answering where did it start, you have to ask…

what did Jesus think about Church?

So we are going to focus on Jesus and his view of the church and then Paul’s view and the NT as a whole, this is partly to answer the accusation which is that Jesus wasn’t that bothered about the church and Paul wrecked what otherwise would have been a lovely cuddly bunch of people with no rules or hierarchy. We’ll come on to see that that is short sighted at best but more importantly we have to be careful we don’t fall into a trap of splitting up the NT into Jesus vs. Paul. We can only go so far in separating out the NT, what Jesus says and what Paul says in the end is all scripture, Jesus words, even if they are printed in red do not carry more weight than Paul’s or even the middle bits of Ecclesiastes!

My aim is help us understand that Jesus was keen on the church and those that might tempt us to think otherwise are basically wrong. In the end their greater failing is when they, whoever they are, fail to see that you cannot play Jesus off against Paul. So our focus is a chronological one, not a splitting Jesus and Paul up. So when I make a case for how much Jesus loves the church I will also use Paul’s words but I will hopefully explain it back into what Jesus was like in the gospels. A result should be that we see how similar Jesus and Paul were and how united scripture is on this subject.

So Jesus and the church – first of all let’s be clear, He loved it, or I should say he loved them/us

Go where you like, John 17 as he prays for his church – which we know he refers to as the ekklesia in matt 16 and 18, the called out ones and idea strong in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT.)

When commenting on Matt 16:18 and Jesus words about building the ekklesia on this rock – the ESV study bible says – “Some scholars object that Jesus could not have foreseen the later emergence of the “church” at this time, but the use of Greek ekklēsia to refer to God’s “called out” people has substantial background in the Septuagint (e.g., Deut. 9:10; 31:30; 1 Sam. 17:47; 1 Kings 8:14). Jesus is predicting that he will build a community of believers who follow him.”

In other words Jesus more than likely would have known that background and known more of what he was saying than some give him credit. Combine this with what he says in John 17 and you have a much clearer picture of Jesus’ thinking on his people and what they are to become.

It is this group of people in Matt 16, who he does call ekklesia who are the same ones in his mind in John 17 when he says of them v6  ⁶ “I have revealed you^[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world”….and v14  “I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. ¹⁵ My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. ¹⁶ They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.” ¹⁷

Can you see the theme and connection? the “called out ones” called out of the world, though in it. That’s Jesus’ ekklesia, called out, set apart. So John 17 is Jesus praying for his Church that will be.

So what about these 3 times Jesus mentions us by our future collective name  – ekklesia? Matthew 16 is this amazing encounter with Peter on whom Jesus says he will build his church. It won’t be built on earthly foundations but on this person and people like him who understand or have been shown who Jesus really is. Matt 18 maybe bizarrely is in the realm of church relationships and dealing with people who wrong us.

Perhaps that is not so bizarre in that is 90% of church life is relationships and people. Jesus understands this, he knows that people are the building blocks of church. Church is people, we are to be those who love people on his behalf. So where else can we go in the gospels to see Jesus’ love for his people, the church. Anywhere, the cross scene, where he gives his best friend his mum to look after, the garden, the feeding of 5000, whenever it says he had compassion on them, whenever he forgave or healed someone, this is all Jesus loving his potential ekklesia to come.

His whole life was about redeeming an ekklesia for himself, bringing them out, washing them in his blood and saying, go on then, you heal the sick, lead people to salvation in me and bring in my kingdom, you have my authority. That is the essence of what Jesus wanted for his called out people who are not of this world but who he wants to remain in it – he loved us, died for us and set us up to carry on his legacy.

That is a whistle stop tour of Jesus and his people, the church, the ekklesia

Before we can look at what Paul thought in the next blog we have a gap that is neither the recorded words of Jesus or Paul’s teaching, this gap is called Acts – recorded by Luke, one of the gospel writers. Acts helps us answer other questions that are floating about at the moment

What came first the church or the NT? Does it matter?

What did the early church think of Church?

These are massive questions because people’s assumptions behind such questions are, we’ve gone away from what Jesus wanted, what the early church wanted, and what’s more Paul didn’t help!! The thinking goes as follows: “we’ve taken Paul’s restrictive, organised approach even further and created an institutionalised monster. And I’m not talking about the monster of medieval times or before, I’m saying that anything that sniffs of organisation even though it could be Spirit filled, bible believing, because it has leadership, order and its well organised and owns a building – it is organised and institutionalised and not what Jesus or the early church was after.”

Paul gets a bad press. Some of what Paul wrote was narrative, but his teaching he talks about receiving from the Lord. James teaches and we have no qualms about where he gets it from. Thank God for telling Paul that gentiles are in, and for Paul squaring up to peter on the issue. But we’re not quite so grateful for Paul talking about order, eldership, appointing elders, deacons etc – YUK!!

This is where Acts is important:

What came first, church or NT?

What did the early church think of CHURCH?

Quick answer to the first one, Chicken and egg  – they came together!

The NT was being written as verbal traditions were recorded, not very old traditions, verbal accounts if you like.

By way of answering the 2 questions at the same time, which came first and what did the early church think of church?

Take a look at Acts 6 as it is a fascinating glimpse into the early church and its early organising of itself. We find leadership, delegation, releasing into ministry for both the leaders and these 7 servers (possibly the first deacons but not stated), we possibly find the first rota system but that might be me reading too much into the number 7!!

What we do see is that people (which is as we know from Jesus is the church) need organisation!!

Because they weren’t very organised but were still growing, Greek speaking widows probably because of the language barrier with the Aramaic speaking Jewish believers were missing out on daily food provision and so to solve this HUMAN NEED and to put people first, order and organistation and delegation were needed to be put in place to help people.

This isn’t the first bit of organisation in Acts either, it was important to replace Judas in the 12 in beginning of Acts.

So does organisation exist in the early church? Yes

Does organisation come about initially through the NT teaching or by the early church practice – by PRACTICE first.

Whats the goal? PEOPLE are the goal, the needs of widows is why it’s done in Acts 6 and to keep the apostles doing what they were supposed to be doing.

Let me suggest that if people, and God’s glory are the goal and it’s done in faith, it is organisation.

If it is for any other reason like keeping traditions alive or merely for the sake of it then its fake – it is organised religion and not the true religion of James, who says true religion is putting people’s needs first.

So that’s Jesus, the early church and questions about both hopefully answered to an extent.

Next blog we’ll take a look at the apostle who seems to be as infamous as “Darth Vader!” we’ll call him Paul!

But let me give you a sneak preview of what this misogynist, hyper hierarchical, over organiser thought about the church:

Eph 3

Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, ⁹ and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. ¹⁰ His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ¹¹ according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If anything Paul only adds volume to the glorious vision Jesus set his disciples.

Earlier in Eph 2 this is what Paul says about Jesus and his church:

¹⁹ Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, ²⁰ built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. ²¹ In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. ²² And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

CONCLUSION

What I hope we can take from this is that Jesus saw the church for what it is = people, who he had called out and who he would die for and who he would build more people on top of and who would love each other and the world they are in.

That the early church did what is natural and not ungodly, they got organised as the needs of people dictated it.

What Paul does is add some grandeur and beauty to the purpose of the church – he raises the bar as we’ll see, he also adds some more organisation, but people are the focus and Jesus is the focus and none of that will be anti the spirit of what Jesus had in mind.

Paul always has Jesus’ glory in mind when he writes about the church, it is for him, he won us and we get to honour him in return.

More on Paul next time!!

Joshua part 10 “The Long Day of Favour” 

This Sunday we’ll be back in Joshua (only 4 more to go!) looking at the day the Sun stood still and the favour of God on his people and those associated with them.

G3 – this coming Tuesday 3rd May, 7.45pm at SLC

G3 is really important this month as we start our mini series on “WHY CHURCH?” looking at why, how and when the Church became a reality in the NT and what it means for us today. We’ll be exploring contemporary questions such as, did Paul and Jesus agree on Church? Which came first the NT teaching about church or early church practice? and What should the church look like today?

This Sunday we take an Emmaus Road view of Jesus and look at the kind of powerful passages he opened up from the Old Testament to Cleopas and the unknown disciple.

After all was said and done one question remained: Who is this? Who Can You Hear? They were in no doubt!

Great prayer meeting this morning, we can enjoy a lie-in for the next 2 Fridays!

Just to let you know that last Sunday I was preaching in Matlock with Church in the Peak led by Dave Harper and this Sunday I’ll be in Blackburn with Community Church Blackburn, led by Dave Wade (who will be speaking at Silklife in June). It was a great morning in Matlock and I heard you had a excellent morning here. Just to encourage you, there ARE OTHER vibrant Churches in the North West where people are coming to know Jesus for the first time, people are being healed and God centred worship is electric!

Even though it is only 2 Sundays, I’ve not been away this much for the nine years we’ve been in Macc and it means this is a slightly strange experience but doors seem to be opening and whereas before it would have been unhelpful for me to be away and so I would turn opportunities down, at the moment it feels like I can be released a bit more to serve other Churches in the region. Having said that, I expect to be around from Easter Sunday onwards for a good few months but wanted to let you know where I’ve been.

On another note, G3 in May (Tuesday 3rd May 7.45pm) will be the start of a series (just for G3 and then this blog) about the Church, called “Why Church?” I’d begun to have the idea, shared it with Nick and the leadership team this week and they agreed it would be a helpful theme to look at, answering questions like: What did Jesus think of the church? Did Paul think differently? How did the idea of “church” develop in the bible and in the early church? What is biblical church and how should the church be today? Community, worship, gifts of the Spirit will all come up along the way.

Please come on Sunday full of expectation and ready to worship, please pray that I’ll be a blessing to Blackburn and help them, see you Easter Sunday if not before!